Can Pulling a Vacuum too Fast Freeze Water / Moisture?

First I want to give credit where credit is due. This post is made possible by the fantastic demonstration video by Neil Comparetto that I embedded below.

Before you get bored and stop reading I want to give some conclusions. Ice can form in a vacuum, but I still advise pulling a fast, deep vacuum in most cases. Now… keep reading to see why.

The statement that is often made by techs is that pulling a vacuum “too quickly” can result in freezing of the moisture inside the system and reduction of evacuation speed. This conversation usually occurs when another tech is demonstrating a SUPER FAST evacuation, or by a tech who is advocating for the consistent use of triple evacuation.

Neil’s video proved that pulling a deep vacuum quickly can result in freezing with even a small amount of liquid water present. He also demonstrated that this is possible with a typical HVAC hookup and that it can pull down to 500 microns with substantial ice present. This was done in 50 degree shop, with a glass jar (insulator), with relatively low internal volume, pulled down using a vacuum pump direct connected with large hoses.

So he proved that under certain circumstances, ice can form and cause a real problem with evacuation speed and even trick a junior tech into thinking they pulled a proper vacuum when they did not.

So what causes this and how do we prevent it?

Water, like all substances, changes state due to the molecular density and configuration based on the pressure surrounding the molecules and the temperature of the molecules (average molecular velocity). When we pull a vacuum on water there are two opposing forces, on one hand we are DECREASING the pressure which leads to evaporation and then boiling, but as the water boils it begins to lose heat because that molecular energy of the highest velocity molecules are being evaporated and removed by the vacuum pump, thus reducing the average molecule velocity (temperature). The key reason why it can freeze in these experiments is because the heat rejected through evaporation / boiling is significantly higher than the heat ADDED through the sides of the jar which is why it starts by flashing, then boiling, then back to liquid then freezing. You are WATCHING the change in energy state in real time as the available heat in the jar and added through the walls is overcome by the heat REJECTED from the boiling liquid and out the pump.

Now, if the pump was left on the ice long enough, the ice would eventually all SUBLIMATE (change directly from solid to vapor) but the rate at which that would occur is based solely on the amount of heat being added to that ice through the walls of the jar. This addition of heat is equal to the differential in temperature between the ice in the jar and the temperature around the jar.

The deeper the vacuum pulls the colder that ice will get, which will increase the differential between the ambient around the jar and the ice temperature inside.

If we hit the jar with a heat gun, the ice would melt quickly because we are ADDING a huge amount of heat very quickly. In the same way, if the ambient temperature in Neil’s shop was higher or if the vessel was made of copper (conductor) instead of glass (insulator) it would be less likely that ice would form and if it did form it would sublimate more quickly.

Here are my current conclusions based on this video (and many others), good science and practical field experience

  • It becomes increasingly more important to employ triple evacuation and using a heat gun as ambient temperatures drop
  • Liquid water inside a system should be exceptionally rare, follow good copper handling practices and don’t work with open copper in the rain.
  • When the internal volume of the system you are evacuating is very small it would be easier to create ice (ice machines, ductless linsets etc…) use more caution in these circumstances by employing triple evacuation / breaking the vacuum with nitrogen / sweeping with nitrogen.
  • Most important is to valve of the micron gauge from the pump and watch for rapid increases. If you have ice you WILL see and quick increase when the micron gauge is isolated from the pump in the system.
  • Use a quality micron gauge that can show you a decay / leak rate so you can easily be aware when there is an issue.
  • When you are pulling a vacuum on most systems, during warm ambient conditions you are RARELY if ever going to make ice in a system under vacuum.
  • The conclusion is NOT to pull a SLOWER vacuum, it is simply to use heat and breaking the vacuum with nitrogen to get the moisture removed.

Here is the video-

— Bryan

One comment

  1. Gary L Reecher says:

    When in the Air Force we were trained when vacuuming the annular space on liquid oxygen tanks to crack the valve on the vacuum pump and allow the vacuum to slowly establish to around 28″ Hg and then fully open the vacuum pump valve to pull a vacuum down to 50 microns.

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