Tag: Condensate

In commercial HVAC you will find several different types of multi-stage evaporator coils, intertwined (like shown above), horizontal face split (one coil on top of another), and vertical (side by side).

Pay attention when staging a horizontal evaporator to ensure that stage #1 is on the bottom and stage #2 is on the top. If stage #1 is on top you risk condensate being pulled off of the coil when the water runs down the wet fins and then hits the dry second stage on the bottom.

By keeping stage #1 on the bottom the moisture adhesion will stay consistent as condensate drops no matter if one or both stages are calling.

You can also have this same effect when stage #1 fails and stage #2 keeps running on a stacked horizontal coil.

— Bryan

Double_trap

Double traps are no good. End of tip. Ok, here is some detail.

Anytime your drain goes up and down more than once you have a double trap UNLESS you place an air vent between the two traps that vents ABOVE the drain inlet.

The double trap causes drainage issues because air becomes trapped between the two traps and air is lighter than water. This causes the air to want to travel up as the water flows down resulting in NO DRAINAGE.

A vent allows the air to move instead of becoming trapped. This is why you vent a drain after the first trap if there is another trap or the potential of another trap.

This is also why you vent a drain after the first trap and before a common drain if you are connecting more than one drain. It helps prevent the possibility of a double trap and thus prevents a nasty backup.

In general just pitch the drain properly, install only one trap and don’t interconnect (unless required) and you will have no problem.

That was easy!

— Bryan

This article was written by HVAC / Furnace technician Benoît Mongeau. Thank you Ben.

 

 

High efficiency (or 90%, or condensing) furnaces use a set of two heat exchangers in order to retrieve more heat from the combustion products than their mid-efficiency counterparts.  Because of this, they generate flue gases much colder than those of a mid-efficiency or natural draft unit.  This not only completely changes the way the furnace has to be vented (I will talk about venting specifically in a later tip) but also, and it’s what we’ll focus on, a lot of condensate is generated.  This water comes from two sources:  moisture which was already present in the combustion air, and the combustion process itself, as the hydrogen atoms from the natural gas molecules (methane, CH4) combine with oxygen to form water. Now as technicians you don’t need to know this part but if you’re a bit into chemistry, here’s the basic chemical equation:

 

CH4 + 2 O2 + heat = CO2 + 2 H2O

 

This means that in perfect combustion, for every molecule of CO2 you produce, there is also 2 water molecules produced. This adds up to a lot of water vapor.

 

In order for the furnace to work properly, that condensation needs to be drained out or else it would accumulate inside the heat exchanger, inducer and venting, impeding proper gas/combustion product flow.  Most furnaces will have at least 2 internal drains, typically one for the heat exchanger and one for the vent, usually at the inducer outlet or on the inducer housing.

 

The secondary heat exchanger outlet is sealed inside a plastic part called the collector box, which is designed to collect the condensate and drain it out.

 

All condensate drains go into a trap.  The condensate trap is absolutely mandatory for a high efficiency gas furnace.  Since the drain taps into the exhaust system, leaving it open to the air would allow for a potential exhaust/flue gas leak in the living space, which is a big no-no.  Additionally, the inducer motor would suck air through the drain if it weren’t trapped, which could affect combustion, and would prevent proper drainage.  Keep that in mind, because if you ever add an extra drain (off a tee on the venting, for example), you will need to TRAP it, always.

 

The only downside to the trap is potential for blockage.  The trap needs to be cleaned out regularly, and that should be done every maintenance.  Rinse it out, make sure water flows through the trap properly from all its ports.  If there’s any poor flow, fill it up and blow through it a few times to get the dirt out.  Hotter water helps for stubborn blockages.  The need for regular cleaning also means that drains should be installed as much as possible in a way that allows for the trap to be easily removed.  I highly recommend using clamped flexible hoses for the drain, as close as possible to the trap.  Avoid hard-piping the whole drain, as it will be impossible to remove and clean out the trap.

 

To ensure proper drainage, here are the proper practices:

-Make sure every component that produces condensate is sloped towards the drain.  That means slope the venting down towards the furnace (typically a ¼’’ slope per foot of length, minimum), and also, slope the furnace itself!  Look in your install manual, most manufacturers will call for the furnace to be installed with a slight forward pitch to allow condensate to drain from the heat exchanger.

-Slope the drain line itself, obviously.  Avoid double trapping and vent the drain after the trap to prevent airlocks

-Avoid running the drain in an area where it could freeze.  That includes running it under the natural fresh air inlet if there is one.  

 

Finally, note that furnace condensate is acidic, and some states/provinces/countries may require the condensate to be neutralized prior to draining.

— Ben

Condensate_Pump

One of my techs (Jim Walch) mentioned to me that another common “double trap” style issue that comes up often is techs and installers running a drain too far into a condensate pump.

When you run the system drain too deep into the pump reservoir  the water level can rise high enough to cover the drain end. This can create the same type of “air lock” you get with a double trap.

When draining into a condensate pump only extend the drain tube 1″ or so into the reservoir of the pump.

Simple stuff.

— Bryan

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